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 Post subject: carb work
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:10 pm 
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Maybe you guys can steer me into the right direction. I have resurrected a 1980 FL250. I have upgraded the exhaust to a racing pipe. The Engine has new seals, and bearings. Had the cylinder bored (can't remember how much), and has a new wiseco piston kit to match the bore. This setup ran good with stock carb, but the Ody was always tempermental the first 10min warm up. Now, I have upgraded the carb to a 32mm Mikuni. It starts up and idles good, but the top end seems to flood the Engine. Got a jet kit with the carb to go 1 higher and 1 lower on both the idle jet, and the main jet. Can you point me in the right direction to tune it in? I live in Reno, NV so elevation is a part of the equation too. Can you help? Or point a direction to a post I can use? I am new to this site and still browsing it.


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:22 am 
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i don't see a return line to gas tank - where is the "t" connector?

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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:55 am 
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Whats on the end of the exhaust pipe?


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:42 pm 
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Is there a good seal around the intake manifold - where it bolts to the jug? the intake does not appeat to be retangular like stock - is the opening a match to the jug?

I've only delt with stock intake boots is the reason i ask.

I also agree with the tee being needed to regulate the gas going to the carb, by diverting excess gas back to the tank.

Any of you 250 guys ever swap the carb???


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:24 pm 
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the people selling the carb kit says its a direct replacement for the stock carb, and the T is not needed. I still have the T from the old set up, and will try it, as soon as I get over this chest cold.
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i don't see a return line to gas tank - where is the "t" connector?OMO


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:29 pm 
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The Mikuni has a rubber boot that seals onto the rectangler piece, the rectanglar piece adapts the boot opening to the Jug's offset intake, and has a gasket at the jug. I believe it has a good seal.
rmesser wrote:
Is there a good seal around the intake manifold - where it bolts to the jug? the intake does not appeat to be retangular like stock - is the opening a match to the jug?
I've only delt with stock intake boots is the reason i ask.

I also agree with the tee being needed to regulate the gas going to the carb, by diverting excess gas back to the tank.

Any of you 250 guys ever swap the carb???


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:31 pm 
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I have a rubber boot, I slip over the tip of the pipe to keep any junk from getting in, while transporting. I remove it before starting it up.
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Whats on the end of the exhaust pipe?


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:47 pm 
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Will also redirect the fuel lines as soon as I figure out a good place to mount the mikuni fuel pump. I really don't like how close the fuel lines are to the cylinder, but want to figure out one problem at a time on this old machine. As you can see I need to clean up my wiring too. I had to rejet the stock carb, when I put the pipe on, had to run it richer, and got a real difference. Which is why I went to a new bigger carb to allow more air into the mixture, and the stock carb was wearing out (alot of play on the slider).


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:41 pm 
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Do you guys have a jetting chart on this website? Maybe I can figure and experiment something from that.


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:23 pm 
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On my FL250/CR250
Mikuni 34mm Roundslide (should have gone to a 38MM flatside - darn)
Main jet: 310
Replaced Needle seat 159 Q-0
Pilot jet: #35 - Needle 2 notch top
Idle/Air screw 1 3/4 turns out
Replace fuel needle/seat with 2.0(might also try a 1.5)
this is into a mossbarger reedcage on a 73/74 cr250

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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:05 pm 
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Do you think using the T-valve is still necessary?
Oldmanody wrote:
On my FL250/CR250
Mikuni 34mm Roundslide (should have gone to a 38MM flatside - darn)
Main jet: 310
Replaced Needle seat 159 Q-0
Pilot jet: #35 - Needle 2 notch top
Idle/Air screw 1 3/4 turns out
Replace fuel needle/seat with 2.0(might also try a 1.5)
this is into a mossbarger reedcage on a 73/74 cr250

OMO


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:01 pm 
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yes - for stock setups


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:59 am 
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Well, well well, I finally have a close Ody neighbor. Greetings tydirium and welcome. I am just south of you in Carson City. The elevation you ride in is playing a major factor in jetting of that beast. Also another factor that is going to cause jetting variances is the temperature and humidity.

Are you familiar with 2 strokes and jetting issues?

Give us a list of what jets are in your carb.

Oldmanody has a carb that is pretty close to what you are running so the jetting information he gave you should be close all depending on what elevation he is at.

What elevation are you at Oldmanody?

Rand


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:16 am 
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give or take a foot or 2 = Tulsa, Ok is 677 ft above sea level

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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:15 pm 
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I put the return valve back on and it runs again. But would like to get full throttle. When using full throttle it seems like Engine is getting flooded, but will run. Have to back off accellerator or throb throttle to get high RPMs.
Oldmanody wrote:
i don't see a return line to gas tank - where is the "t" connector?

OMO


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:27 pm 
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Sometimes I think I have two strokes figured out, but I always learn something new. So either way I would like to learn. I should have written down what jets are in the new carb before I installed it. Now I am not sure what is in the Mikuni. I am just north of Reno at Stead, so I have a higher elevation.

Randman wrote:
Well, well well, I finally have a close Ody neighbor. Greetings tydirium and welcome. I am just south of you in Carson City. The elevation you ride in is playing a major factor in jetting of that beast. Also another factor that is going to cause jetting variances is the temperature and humidity.

Are you familiar with 2 strokes and jetting issues?

Give us a list of what jets are in your carb.

Oldmanody has a carb that is pretty close to what you are running so the jetting information he gave you should be close all depending on what elevation he is at.

What elevation are you at Oldmanody?

Rand


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:54 pm 
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you're probably rich then, unless you told the sellers about the elevation...


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:00 pm 
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Nope, didn't tell the vendor what elevation I am. I think its easy to get to the main jet and try the lower one. You think local honda shop would have Mikuni jets to sell?
Turbotexas wrote:
you're probably rich then, unless you told the sellers about the elevation...


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:06 pm 
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yea, any motorcycle shop, but bring your magnifying glass...

tydirium wrote:
Nope, didn't tell the vendor what elevation I am. I think its easy to get to the main jet and try the lower one. You think local honda shop would have Mikuni jets to sell?
Turbotexas wrote:
you're probably rich then, unless you told the sellers about the elevation...


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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:26 pm 
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yep, know what you mean by magnifying glass. Got almost a whole library of jets for the stock, as father and I used to use different jets at places we went for vacation, with the odysseys. We had a formula to figure out the size of jet for the stock.
Turbotexas wrote:
yea, any motorcycle shop, but bring your magnifying glass...

tydirium wrote:
Nope, didn't tell the vendor what elevation I am. I think its easy to get to the main jet and try the lower one. You think local honda shop would have Mikuni jets to sell?
Turbotexas wrote:
you're probably rich then, unless you told the sellers about the elevation...



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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:17 pm 
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Going to Moonrock (by Pyramid Lake) today (Feb12) with some co-workers about noon if you want to come up and run with us, will be tinkering with my Ody, and co-worker also has a FL250 (stock) with a racing rollcage. Not sure how long we will be there, just need to get out and have fun.
Randman wrote:
Well, well well, I finally have a close Ody neighbor. Greetings tydirium and welcome. I am just south of you in Carson City. The elevation you ride in is playing a major factor in jetting of that beast. Also another factor that is going to cause jetting variances is the temperature and humidity.

Are you familiar with 2 strokes and jetting issues?

Give us a list of what jets are in your carb.

Oldmanody has a carb that is pretty close to what you are running so the jetting information he gave you should be close all depending on what elevation he is at.

What elevation are you at Oldmanody?

Rand



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 Post subject: Re: carb work
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:03 pm 
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Unfortunately can't do it in such short notice. I have to suffer through going out riding on my buddy's wife's Polaris Sportsman 400 up the back side of duck hill in Carson City this morning.

Then when I get home I get to figure out why the wife's Ody doesn't have spark.

You have fun and good luck!

Rand


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