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Author:  adnoh [ Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:12 pm ]
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No issue what so ever I welcome any and all.
That is what this board is for. Many mind's working for an end goal.
Keeping all together is a great way to do it.
Then we can put a link in pilot and odyssey csi etc for all to Access.
I say let us know how it turns out for other do easy fix.
Nice job and thanks for posting
Author:  Kuma [ Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:01 pm ]
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adnoh wrote:
CO, time and hard use.
The thing I like about the stock pads is the material on back side of pad to help with heat soak. All after market pads do not have this.

The stock pads no longer available.
What a shame.
I'm looking into changing the whole set up to a stock pad set up so this type of pad can be used.
My wife's pilot is in good shape. She refuses to sale it.

I have about eight sets of used after market with solid back plate. After I test ride and make sure they wear evenly I'm going to use one of them as a spacer and fasten in place.
This will give greater surface area to the back side pad instead of pad pressure in two smaller locations.


I picked up a set of Pads from ebay, they have 3 types available EBC which are $30, then there are some for $7 look very similar to the EBC but do not have the groove and the set I bought which were $15, they have the pad similar to the stock, they are "bike master" 96-1243

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Author:  adnoh [ Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:24 pm ]
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Cool find
Author:  speedchaser [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:07 pm ]
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tack weld a shim on the pad it self
or drill and tap the ears for a adjustable set screw


SpeedChaser :-)
Author:  Kuma [ Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:49 pm ]
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I was reluctant posting until I know it worked, I installed bushings in the caliper support, my method seems to have worked but I suggest not doing it the way I did.
So what I did was clamp the support on a saw horse, I used 3 drill sizes 23/64, 13/32 & 27/64" to step my way up.
Before drilling I used a stone to dull the drill bit cutting edge, this helps to prevent having the drill grab and pulling it's self in, if you have ever worked with mag you will know.
I noticed while drilling it did not appear to be drilling cemetrical and was thinking, crap now I'm going to have to spend a small fortune on another clapped out support, I might as well finish.
I then used a straight flute reamer and put a large vice grips on it so I had a handle to be able to ream it by hand. The process went well.
I bought some 9mm ID x 12mm OD oillite bushings, they only come on 10 and 14 mm length, in each side I used a pair of 10mm and one 14mm.
I heated the housing up a bit with a torch used a little lock tire on the bushings and tapped them in place.
The bolts were a nice fit, now the moment of truth. Installed both bolts through the caliper and into the housing, to my delight, it worked and I was able to slide the housing and the caliper.

I would not do it with a hand drill again, if anyone does this fix I suggest the best way is with a milling machine, next best would be a drill press.
What I did worked, it may have worked better to just use the 27/64 drill as I was depending on the existing hole maintaining the center.
I can post the bushing part numbers tomorrow, got them from McMaster Carr.
This fix totally eliminated the rocking that I atribute to the original problem, if you check and your caliber is good but feels sloppy, consider fixing the mount to avoid fixing both later.
Author:  Kuma [ Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:40 am ]
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McMaster-Carr P/N for the bushings (bearings)
6658K142 Oil-Embedded SAE 841 Bronze Sleeve Bearing 9 mm ID, 12 mm OD, 14 mm long, need 2 of these.
6658K141 Oil-Embedded SAE 841 Bronze Sleeve Bearing 9 mm ID, 12 mm OD, 10 mm long, need 4 of these.
Author:  Kuma [ Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Brake caliper work
McMaster-Carr P/N for the bushings (bearings)
6658K142 Oil-Embedded SAE 841 Bronze Sleeve Bearing 9 mm ID, 12 mm OD, 14 mm long, need 2 of these.
6658K141 Oil-Embedded SAE 841 Bronze Sleeve Bearing 9 mm ID, 12 mm OD, 10 mm long, need 4 of these.
Author:  canadian oddy [ Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:02 am ]
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Oillite bronze bushings a brilliant idea. Nice one.
Any pics ??
CO
Author:  adnoh [ Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:45 pm ]
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Kuma, Speed

Great info and ideas

Thanks
Author:  Kuma [ Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:14 am ]
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canadian oddy wrote:
Oillite bronze bushings a brilliant idea. Nice one.
Any pics ??
CO


Not much to see but you asked for it
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Author:  Kuma [ Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:26 am ]
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Couple of notes, I measured a depth of 39 mm for the amount of bushings needed, could have gone with 2 of the 14mm length and 1 10mm but I did not want to risk blocking the grooves for the dust boot.
Also I measured the casting diameter at the bottom and that was 13mm so apparently Honda did a good job of boring the holes to the casting center as I had no break out, I was prepared for it, if it had I would have used the 14mm bushing on the bottom and then patch or plug the hole with the JB weld steel stick.
Author:  adnoh [ Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:49 am ]
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As I was reading on your fix you mentioned "MAG".
Mag= magnesium?
If so we should add do not try to weld AL to it.
It can be tested a coupe of different ways and maybe he did that.
I know I had plenty of shaving to test and clean un-coated surfaces however did not bother,Ummmm.
One more reason for all to get involved. Many minds looking at the same thing.

I say good job.
Author:  Kuma [ Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:45 pm ]
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yes I mean magnesium, not to say the caliper assembly is Mag, it's aluminum but a sharp drill will grab onto aluminum too.
Author:  adnoh [ Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:18 pm ]
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Thanks,
When I drilled mine I did not dull mine and it did grab and more than once. So that is a good thing to pass on.
Author:  Kuma [ Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:04 pm ]
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report on my Caliper fix, FAIL, well it worked for a while but I pulled it out the other day and the pads are wearing odd again:(
Author:  canadian oddy [ Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:16 pm ]
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Kuma wrote:
report on my Caliper fix, FAIL, well it worked for a while but I pulled it out the other day and the pads are wearing odd again:(


That's not much info.
What failed ?
Pics ?
CO
Author:  Kuma [ Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:11 pm ]
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sorry for the delayed reply, I believe it is the JB weld that did not hold up and it is starting to wear at an odd angle.
so I an checking for a replacement caliper, people are asking crazy money for those, almost $500, that's too rich for me, I'm thinking I'm going to find something similar from a motorcycle and make a new holding bracket, Brake calipers can be had on Ebay for less than $50. I probably have something laying around the house I can make work, di I ever say I was cheap?
Author:  Rppjr [ Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:16 pm ]
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One of my EEE,s uses the front right front caliper off of a mid 80,s Honda goldwing. they then made a bracket so it would mount to the trans.
Author:  Kuma [ Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:43 pm ]
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update: fix attempt #2, this time using speedchasers suggestion, drilled and tapped the ears, 8-32 tap, installed cap screws from the inside with Loctite, then used a grinder to make the head surface as close to the correct height and parallel to the caliper piston, we'll see how that works.

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Author:  Kuma [ Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:49 pm ]
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Rppjr wrote:
One of my EEE,s uses the front right front caliper off of a mid 80,s Honda goldwing. they then made a bracket so it would mount to the trans.


could you post a picture or 3 of the setup?
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