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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:47 pm 
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How this, Progressives are no worse than the stock Showa shocks!

The ride is pretty stiff with either the progressives or the factory Showa shocks. If you are small stature person, then they will be very stiff. If your a fat guy like me (Ha HA) then it isn't quite so bad. Where you really notice the difference is the rebound of the shock. If you land hard enough, the rear end will bounce back off the ground hence the term "Pogo Stick".

The upper factory shock mount is merely a bolt which runs through the top of the shock and into the frame. The bolt someone used in your application might be a little longer than the stock upper shock bolt. It looks like the double shock support someone has made is using the upper stock shock bolt to hold the bracket.

The lower shock mount is in the lowest part of the swing arm. The lower of the 2 shocks looks to be mounted in the factory location.

Where did you find rear progressive Ody shocks from? As far as I know they have been discontinued for quite some time. I have looked at a couple of sites and they say the shocks are for the rear when in fact they are the shorter front shock. As far as rear shock length, the length eye to eye is 15.25 inches. Anything longer than that and the universal joints will bind.

Rand


I appreciate your honest opinion of the Progressives. Anything has got to be better than riding on just a couple of springs which is what I have now since the shocks are totally blown (talk about a pogo stick). I am about 6'2" 200 lbs so that should hold her down hahaha. I have rode an old FL250 odyssey in the past with no rear suspension so I know exactly what you mean about the rebounding.

Uh oh, now you are scaring me man, the shocks I just ordered are listed as 12.5" rears. I found them over on Amazon.com


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:52 pm 
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Welcome to the site.... Another Cali guy,,,,

Looks like you have a good project on you hands.... Soon as you get it together, we will have to get together for a ride...

Interesting setup you have on the rear suspension....

Dune Dart


Sounds good let's ride!

Yes, the rear suspension seems to be gathering a great deal of attention. Still undecided if I want to remove it and try to go back to stock or leave it.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:56 pm 
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SomeGuyFromCali wrote:
Randman wrote:
How this, Progressives are no worse than the stock Showa shocks!

The ride is pretty stiff with either the progressives or the factory Showa shocks. If you are small stature person, then they will be very stiff. If your a fat guy like me (Ha HA) then it isn't quite so bad. Where you really notice the difference is the rebound of the shock. If you land hard enough, the rear end will bounce back off the ground hence the term "Pogo Stick".

The upper factory shock mount is merely a bolt which runs through the top of the shock and into the frame. The bolt someone used in your application might be a little longer than the stock upper shock bolt. It looks like the double shock support someone has made is using the upper stock shock bolt to hold the bracket.

The lower shock mount is in the lowest part of the swing arm. The lower of the 2 shocks looks to be mounted in the factory location.

Where did you find rear progressive Ody shocks from? As far as I know they have been discontinued for quite some time. I have looked at a couple of sites and they say the shocks are for the rear when in fact they are the shorter front shock. As far as rear shock length, the length eye to eye is 15.25 inches. Anything longer than that and the universal joints will bind.

Rand


I appreciate your honest opinion of the Progressives. Anything has got to be better than riding on just a couple of springs which is what I have now since the shocks are totally blown (talk about a pogo stick). I am about 6'2" 200 lbs so that should hold her down hahaha. I have rode an old FL250 odyssey in the past with no rear suspension so I know exactly what you mean about the rebounding.

Uh oh, now you are scaring me man, the shocks I just ordered are listed as 12.5" rears. I found them over on Amazon.com


That's why I made mention of the length. I was looking around for shocks and noticed several places listed "Rear Shocks" but when you read the fine print they say the length is 12.5" which are front shocks.

As far as I know, the rear Progressives have not been available for some time.

Sorry to burst you bubble, hope you don't have trouble sending them back!

Rand


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:06 pm 
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Randman wrote:
That's why I made mention of the length. I was looking around for shocks and noticed several places listed "Rear Shocks" but when you read the fine print they say the length is 12.5" which are front shocks.

As far as I know, the rear Progressives have not been available for some time.

Sorry to burst you bubble, hope you don't have trouble sending them back!

Rand


Thanks for the information. Amazon hadn't shipped yet so I just canceled my order (the cancellation is pending).
I see now my mistake - Amazon has them listed as rears because they probably DO fit a bike that accepts a 12.5" rear shock but when you use their parts matcher is tells you "Yes this will fit your vehicle". Thanks for saving my butt there buddy!

So now if i am going to HAVE to buy a longer set of shocks for the rear I will probably just keep my dual shock setup... the only reason for switch to a single in the rear was because when I measured the setup I have now 12.5" was too short and I figured it was lifted to higher than normal.

Would a rear shock off a Honda Pilot 400 work or are those ones too long?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:27 pm 
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You're welcome!

What is the length of the upper shock eye to eye? I have been researching some shocks and a pair of cheap front shocks may just fit the bill!

Actually if you can, measure both shocks eye to eye and post what the lengths of both shocks are.

Rand


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:36 pm 
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Randman wrote:
You're welcome!

What is the length of the upper shock eye to eye? I have been researching some shocks and a pair of cheap front shocks may just fit the bill!

Actually if you can, measure both shocks eye to eye and post what the lengths of both shocks are.

Rand


Okay I will take measurements on both shocks eye to eye and report back shortly.
Thanks again for saving me from ordering the wrong shock.

Now that I know I need a longer shock and cannot go with the progressive I am considering going all out and buying the "G-series" for the rears because I read they have the thicker 5/8" shaft instead of the 1/2" shaft and appear to be only $30 more than the AT Steelers.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:46 pm 
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Works Performance Shocks set up correctly for your weight/riding style are the single best investment suspension wise sans going long travel.

I found the attached 350 installation instructions and figured I'd post it here for future reference for 350 owners.

Pilotman


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:55 pm 
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Pilotman wrote:
Works Performance Shocks set up correctly for your weight/riding style are the single best investment suspension wise sans going long travel.

I found the attached 350 installation instructions and figured I'd post it here for future reference for 350 owners.

Pilotman


Thanks I am sold on the Works shocks now, sorta glad I ordered the wrong ones from Amazon. I think I am going to try and get a pair of the G-Series.

Anyone know where I can find a good price on them??

So far the cheapest I see the Works G-Series go for is at After shock motorsports for $599 with no reservoirs.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:11 pm 
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You can call works directly and order them.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:54 pm 
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Randman wrote:
You're welcome!

What is the length of the upper shock eye to eye? I have been researching some shocks and a pair of cheap front shocks may just fit the bill!

Actually if you can, measure both shocks eye to eye and post what the lengths of both shocks are.

Rand


Both shocks appear to be 15.5" long from center eye to center eye. Pictures below.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:46 pm 
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By looking at at least one of the shock labels, those are Baja Magnums which are the old school progressive shocks which worked quite well, some say as good as the works do!

The only way to really get a good measurement is to take them off the Ody and get a good center of eye to center of eye measurement. Like I said before, if they are over 15.25" eye to eye using the stock mounting points, the U joints will bind.

Glad to hear you are going with the works shocks.....you won't be sorry!

I actually have a pair of shocks from a Honda ATV that I'm going to try to get to work. The cost is under 100.00 per pair. The problem is that they are 15.5" and unless I set the camber way negative, the U joints bind.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:52 pm 
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Randman wrote:
By looking at at least one of the shock labels, those are Baja Magnums which are the old school progressive shocks which worked quite well, some say as good as the works do!

The only way to really get a good measurement is to take them off the Ody and get a good center of eye to center of eye measurement. Like I said before, if they are over 15.25" eye to eye using the stock mounting points, the U joints will bind.

Glad to hear you are going with the works shocks.....you won't be sorry!

I actually have a pair of shocks from a Honda ATV that I'm going to try to get to work. The cost is under 100.00 per pair. The problem is that they are 15.5" and unless I set the camber way negative, the U joints bind.

Rand


We are stripping her naked tonight. I will take better measurements and report back.

My new rear Works shocks are on order and will ship out next week


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Randman wrote:
By looking at at least one of the shock labels, those are Baja Magnums which are the old school progressive shocks which worked quite well, some say as good as the works do!


That is the only label left on any of the old four rear shocks (shows how much abuse they have been through). From what I can see the front shocks have Made in Mexico stamped on them with a 34 over that.


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So the guy I bought it from says he ran it at 40:1 but the gas tank says 20:1? Whats up with that guys?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:19 pm 
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32 to 1 is generally the ratio most of us run. Back in the day, 20 to 1 was common. Since then 2 stroke oils have improved allowing for a slightly leaner oil to gas mixture.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:28 pm 
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Randman wrote:
32 to 1 is generally the ratio most of us run. Back in the day, 20 to 1 was common. Since then 2 stroke oils have improved allowing for a slightly leaner oil to gas mixture.

Rand


Thanks I'd way rather have to change a spark plug than a m.o.t.o.r!
I was wondering if that means there are more performance mods to my machine than I am aware of. Considering the extravagant rear suspension setup I wonder what they also had put into the m.o.t.o.r? The guy I bought it from was the third owner and couldn't tell me everything the first guy had done.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:31 pm 
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SomeGuyFromCali wrote:
Pilotman wrote:
Works Performance Shocks set up correctly for your weight/riding style are the single best investment suspension wise sans going long travel.

I found the attached 350 installation instructions and figured I'd post it here for future reference for 350 owners.

Pilotman


Thanks I am sold on the Works shocks now, sorta glad I ordered the wrong ones from Amazon. I think I am going to try and get a pair of the G-Series.

Anyone know where I can find a good price on them??

So far the cheapest I see the Works G-Series go for is at After shock motorsports for $599 with no reservoirs.


Works shocks is located in Canoga Park Ca... just down the street from me.... you can call and order from them directly.. Dune Dart


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SomeGuyFromCali wrote:
Randman wrote:
32 to 1 is generally the ratio most of us run. Back in the day, 20 to 1 was common. Since then 2 stroke oils have improved allowing for a slightly leaner oil to gas mixture.

Rand


Thanks I'd way rather have to change a spark plug than a m.o.t.o.r!
I was wondering if that means there are more performance mods to my machine than I am aware of. Considering the extravagant rear suspension setup I wonder what they also had put into the m.o.t.o.r? The guy I bought it from was the third owner and couldn't tell me everything the first guy had done.


Haha you found the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) thing. It's automatically changes it. If you use Engine it won't.


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Fatcat wrote:
SomeGuyFromCali wrote:
Randman wrote:
32 to 1 is generally the ratio most of us run. Back in the day, 20 to 1 was common. Since then 2 stroke oils have improved allowing for a slightly leaner oil to gas mixture.

Rand


Thanks I'd way rather have to change a spark plug than a m.o.t.o.r!
I was wondering if that means there are more performance mods to my machine than I am aware of. Considering the extravagant rear suspension setup I wonder what they also had put into the m.o.t.o.r? The guy I bought it from was the third owner and couldn't tell me everything the first guy had done.


Haha you found the motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) ((Internal Combustion Engine?)) thing. It's automatically changes it. If you use Engine it won't.


yeah funny thing is my girlfriend actually corrects me about this all the time... i notice it doesnt like after.shock either


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:49 pm 
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Well the strip didnt go well at all. my buddy who is a lot better at two stroke motor (( Internal Combustion Engine ? )) internals than me showed up to help with the stripdown and wanted to hear it start. long story short it wouldn't fire up at all for us... pulled the plug and it gets spark but will NOT fire. turns over and smoke comes out but that's all.


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Choke it?
Is it flooded?


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Using the pull start or electric start to fire it up?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:51 pm 
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Randy J. wrote:
Choke it?
Is it flooded?


I am really hoping it was just flooded. Ended up going for a ride on the quad all weekend so the Odyssey project got put on hold. My buddies finally got both of their Banshees running and the weather was just too beautiful outside to resist.

The guy I got my "ugly" FL350 from had used a pair of jumper cables to start it for the demo start although he gave me a brand new battery to go with it.
I asked him NOT to add the acid right away as my rebuild might not be done for a few months depending on my budget and how bad the m.o.t.o.r looks when we get to that part. I was trying to start it with the electric start using a jumper cable off of my truck which worked for me the first time and only time I started it after bringing it home.

At first I thought I had the choke on having wrestled the bent and rusted choke lever out below the ignition switch. After further inspection the choke lever is apparently disconnected because when I went back to look at the carb I saw a finger manual pull style and no cable attached. This has me wondering if it even has the stock carb onboard or if this is a larger one added for racing.
Won't know till I take it apart and compare to some stock photos or the manual like I did with the suspension.

Speaking of the suspension... I have the tracking number for the front and rear shocks. The front wheels are pretty loose when I wrestle them side to side or up and down. Wondering if I should invest in some new bushings or wheel bearings or whatever it has up there to tighten up the front steering.

Snowcat said on Saturday he should be able to get my master cylinder and steering wheeler shipped out today.

Stopping by the local Honda shop today to see if they have the pull cord in the gauge I need. The hardware store and saw/snowmobile shop came up empty.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:16 pm 
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rope on ebay...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-FL250-FL3 ... e5&vxp=mtr


I've never replaced pull rope so can not offer any help - just know of the ebay auction.


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Sounds like an pj carb
Have u ever done a compression test?


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