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| Author: | leegb [ Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:54 pm ] |
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Hi, lee from the united kingdom I am new to this site, I have had a few pilots and now have a pilot with 800 rotax Engine. Last week I bought this buggy, Someone has told me it could be a challenger which uses odyssey parts, but this has a xenoah 340cc twin Engine. Any infomation would be welcome. Thanks Lee. |
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| Author: | leegb [ Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:12 pm ] | |||||||
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Some photos
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| Author: | leegb [ Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:16 pm ] | |||||||
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And more
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| Author: | hoser [ Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:50 pm ] |
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leegb wrote: Some photos
It looks Challenger to me here is my old one http://pilotodyssey.com/challengerhome.htm Pains me to see a full size car battery being carried around in a buggy so small lol |
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| Author: | Twilight [ Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:21 pm ] |
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Looks like mine (minus the angle iron for a bumper) Yeah its a challenger. Fun machines in my opinion. =) |
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| Author: | leegb [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:56 am ] |
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Are those rose joints just to the rear of the drive shaft uv standard, they are not fitted to the challenger of hoser. And my front j arms look different, maybe just gussets? |
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| Author: | hoser [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:36 am ] | ||
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leegb wrote: Are those rose joints just to the rear of the drive shaft uv standard, they are not fitted to the challenger of hoser. And my front j arms look different, maybe just gussets?
My Challenger had brackets for the extra links on the rear suspension but were not installed when I bought it I never installed them. I have seen many variations of J arms for the 250 over the years if you look in the Challenger catalog you might see exactly what they sold with the car. http://pilotodyssey.com/challengercat1.htm Look at the pic below this is the mod TurboTexas needs to make, I was told the pivot point for the added arm needs to be where the U joint bends.
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| Author: | leegb [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:13 pm ] |
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Unless I have misunderstud you, The front pivot (visable between the braded hoses) the UJ, and the rose joint at the rear all need to be in line, not where the green line is unless the UJ is plunging which I do not think it is. |
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| Author: | hoser [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:52 pm ] |
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leegb wrote: Unless I have misunderstud you, The front pivot (visable between the braded hoses) the UJ, and the rose joint at the rear all need to be in line, not where the green line is unless the UJ is plunging which I do not think it is.
Forget all about the front pivot point only look at the green line and the 2 arrows I added The way it was explained to me was that the center of the hiem joint in the link should be in the center of the U joint so when the axle angles the added link bends at the same hinge point. Maybe I am missing something hey LEE!!! what you think? |
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| Author: | Lee [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:15 pm ] | ||
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The U-joint needs to be in line with the 2 rod ends, in 3D. That is, draw a line between the center of the balls on the 2 rod ends, place the center of the U-joint on that line. For a retrofit to a FL350 (with lawyer link steering gear) the front rod end and the U-joint are already set so you need to place the rear rod end on a line extending from the front rod end to the center of the U-joint (actually the line will extend beyond the U-joint). On Polaris vehicles they some times fix only one side of the U-joint to the drive shaft so that the other side can slide a little and make up for any variation in manufacturing. But to do this you need a splined joint. I do not recommend this on a system using a key. Other suspension systems may vary, this information is only good for a swing arm or a system where the drive shaft is perfectly in line with the lower arm.
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| Author: | Ody_Stable [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:20 pm ] |
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Hey, it's not lunchtime, what are you doing here? |
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| Author: | leegb [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:23 pm ] |
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Its evening here in the uk. Were always in front! lol |
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| Author: | Ody_Stable [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:29 pm ] |
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Can you take some closeups (including underneath) of your rear brake caliper, I'd like to see how the hydraulic unit was fit in there. |
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| Author: | leegb [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:32 pm ] |
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[quote="Lee"]The U-joint needs to be in line with the 2 rod ends, in 3D. That is, draw a line between the center of the balls on the 2 rod ends, place the center of the U-joint on that line. Yes I agree with Lee (that's Lee not Leegb that's me, too many lee,s) Only thing Is something is not quite in line there the green line does not go through the center of the UJ. |
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| Author: | Ody_Stable [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:41 pm ] |
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Are the u-joints floating on the axle splines or are they clamped down or bolted to them? If they're floating that would help if there was a little misalignment. |
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| Author: | leegb [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:50 pm ] |
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Ody_Stable wrote: Can you take some closeups (including underneath) of your rear brake caliper, I'd like to see how the hydraulic unit was fit in there.
It is not the original caliper, To be honest the brake caliper mount is a total mess and you would not want to copy it. The only thing holding the blue bracket to the main frame that 1 bolt you can see in the pictures, If you were to use the brakes whilst rolling back it would rip it off. I will take a few pictures after I have modified it if you like. |
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| Author: | leegb [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:55 pm ] |
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Ody_Stable wrote: Are the u-joints floating on the axle splines or are they clamped down or bolted to them?
If they're floating that would help if there was a little misalignment. I assume they are clamped because some run them (like hosers) without the rear rose joints and they would wobble or come off. |
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| Author: | Ody_Stable [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:56 pm ] |
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Oh, I know it's not original, the originals were cable operated, but I can't see how it's mounted at all in the pics. The originals were pivot mounted on a pin that had a single bolt holding it together, works very well, never had one break and properly adjusted they'll stop on a dime. I just wanted to see how that one was attached since you can't really see it. |
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| Author: | leegb [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:19 pm ] |
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Ody_Stable wrote: Oh, I know it's not original, the originals were cable operated, but I can't see how it's mounted at all in the pics. The originals were pivot mounted on a pin that had a single bolt holding it together, works very well, never had one break and properly adjusted they'll stop on a dime.
I just wanted to see how that one was attached since you can't really see it. Sorry, but do you mean the caliper or the master cylinder? |
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| Author: | leegb [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:29 pm ] | |||
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Ody_Stable wrote: Can you take some closeups (including underneath) of your rear brake caliper, I'd like to see how the hydraulic unit was fit in there.
Some pictures of brake caliper/ mount.
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| Author: | leegb [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:33 pm ] |
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Ody-stable Do you have a picture of the original caliper on the buggy. Thanks LEE |
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| Author: | Ody_Stable [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:51 pm ] | |||
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Here's some pics, the pin goes into the gearbox and is held in place by one bolt: I will see about getting a few pics of one mounted.
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